tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12948038.post3811298201775718663..comments2023-07-29T09:15:17.416+01:00Comments on allan's blog - Agile & Digital Business: People or the system?allan kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06262139490250478379noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12948038.post-22506209435610717112013-10-05T11:21:37.653+01:002013-10-05T11:21:37.653+01:00I need to track down the references, but at least ...I need to track down the references, but at least two of the speakers at Lean Agile Scotland said that there's some newer research that shows the "alpha" coders are the ones who don't just start hacking but spend time chasing down the requirements before they even start. In environments where the communications are good the differences become very small, perhaps nonexistent. Like I said, this may be a leprechaun, but it does make sense.<br /><br />And, (no sh1t Sherlock ;)) the people who are experienced are the ones who have probably learned this lesson already. <br /><br />I have experienced this anecdotally, where I pushed for the recruitment of someone who wasn't technically the best but had a really good rapport with people. She turned out to be an absolute star, building relationships across to the business and testers, and making very few mistakes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11814427622734560530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12948038.post-16260339723780339092013-04-27T01:18:35.853+01:002013-04-27T01:18:35.853+01:00Nice article, I like thinking about these issues a...Nice article, I like thinking about these issues a lot. Two complementary articles I've read square pretty well with your thoughts. The first is from Alistair Cockburn<br />http://alistair.cockburn.us/Characterizing+people+as+non-linear,+first-order+components+in+software+development<br /><br />The other is about the 10x programmers. I also enjoyed Leprechauns of Software Development, and I see that the lack of evidence will not stop this meme from replicating. HOwever, there is another truth that I think we've all seen - the 1/10th programmer:<br />http://www.techfounder.net/2013/04/04/there-are-no-x10-developers-but-there-are-certainly-110-ones/<br />Mike Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17690059920570352962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12948038.post-2951763330113973542013-04-26T15:27:43.265+01:002013-04-26T15:27:43.265+01:00Hi Allan, thanks for the post. I've been wrest...Hi Allan, thanks for the post. I've been wrestling with the people & system contradiction too - I wrote about it too: "It's the system, not (and?) the people." http://winnipegagilist.blogspot.ca/2013/03/its-system-not-and-people.htmlSteve Rogalskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06799015247942648718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12948038.post-3009430150566586492013-03-27T13:42:01.369+00:002013-03-27T13:42:01.369+00:00ok lets first pretend the PEOPLE were good and the...ok lets first pretend the PEOPLE were good and the SYSTEM bad. Once those good people try to change the system, the system will eliminate them by advancements and cost cuts.<br /><br />if we pretend SYSTEM was good and the PEOPLE bad. Once the good system forces the ppl to behave, the ppl will workaround the issues and ignore the rules Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12948038.post-65469529369574833562013-03-26T12:43:53.842+00:002013-03-26T12:43:53.842+00:00I'm not convinced that the two are contradicto...I'm not convinced that the two are contradictory. The system governs how people will perform and act, but not necessarily in the intended ways - especially if the design of the system fails to understand enough about the people who will be implementing it and the situation they are in. Good people will subvert a badly-designed system in order to still make things work somehow. Perhaps the Deming principle re. right to pride of workmanship is also relevant here.Gailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16918028788059683399noreply@blogger.com